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Two Truths At Once w/Twin Essence

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Part 2 with sister duo Twin Essence!

A loud warehouse door tried to kill the recording, so we took it as a sign and went even deeper. Marley and Lacey from Twin Essence return to unpack how intuition shows up in real life: the flow state you can’t force, the “random” epiphany that hits while brushing your teeth, and the way synchronicity sneaks in through music, movies, and TV when you least expect it.

We also get into energetic boundaries and spiritual hygiene, including why crowded spaces can feel draining while a concert can feel like the most cleansing collective experience imaginable. Then the conversation takes a sharp turn into night terrors, fear versus excitement in the body, and their idea of being “amplifiers,” people whose presence can magnify your gifts, your instincts, and sometimes the stuff you’ve been avoiding.

If you’re into spiritual awakening, starseeds, channeling, light language, energetic cleansing, and navigating polarized times with a clear mind and open heart, you’ll get a lot out of this. Subscribe, share this with a friend who’s in their “signs” era, and leave a review with the biggest takeaway you’re holding now.

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Setup, Noise, And Starseeds

SPEAKER_00

This week I'm welcoming back Twin Essence, Marley and Lacy. And if you listen to the first go-around, you know we talked about some pretty interesting things. Um, if you're not familiar with the term starseed, maybe you should get acquainted with it because we we dive into what they do as as sisters on a pre-spiritual journey and and how they work with their clients and the different modalities that are so useful to to living this life and and all the different glasses and eyewear and lenses that we put on our face in order to perceive and and and grow in these lifetimes. And and you know, we become different versions of ourselves, and sometimes at the same time, you know, you switch something on and off, or you make room to to coexist with these dualities of self. And we were not shy to to jump into some things that maybe I wish in retrospect I was a little more prepared to talk about. Um but that is life. That is life. Sometimes you just have to jump in and you don't know. There's one thing I do want to say before you you listen today is that we start off, we kind of mention an interview that had happened right after the first one, which would have been the second interview. This one that you're you're listening to now. But when we were recording someone two doors down from my studio space, which is, you know, an outside bay door warehouse style space where, you know, I'm taking a gamble recording in the space at the moment. Um it's just next to all other things that I'm creating. And fate stepped in and was like, this guy is gonna bang incessantly on this aluminum door and it's gonna be so loud that you can't record. Like, I actually was horrified by this because I was like, can does this sound as terrible as I think that it sounds? And they were like, it sounds pretty bad. And then when I listened to the recording, you know, this past week when I was and was like, what did that original recording sound like? It was terrible. So that was I was delighted that they made time for me to to have this interview today and to get a little deeper into what they do and what makes it so special. And as I said in the first one, if you don't know what a starseed is, have an opportunity to to listen and and see see what lights up for you, you know, see where else it takes you, see what type of lens you can you can expand upon for yourself and then who else you have have room to be, and who else you can make room for in this world around you. I would also like to note briefly that I mentioned in a previous musings episode by myself about a terrible night terror that I'd had after I interviewed with the twins the first time, and and we kind of touch base on that night terror nightmare in this episode. You won't hear too much about it because you know we've already recorded about it in an episode that doesn't exist. So I'm sorry, but in some other parallel universe and some other reality, that conversation did happen, and maybe it just didn't go anywhere near as good as this one. So I hope you enjoy

Flow State And Incoming Messages

SPEAKER_00

an energy check. How are how are you two doing?

SPEAKER_02

Honestly, great. We were we got a little distracted and then we like were like, oh my god, interview time. Because we were like getting into this like zone of like, oh, write all this stuff down that's coming through. Like, um we were yeah, we were quite inspired and creative with some stuff that we're working on. Yeah. Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

So you were getting in flow state.

SPEAKER_02

We were, we were. It's it's one of those things where you really can't force, like you can't force things to be clear when they're not ready to be clear. So we were talking about how like um different things that we're working on and waiting for like the right guidance or like inspiration to come through. And then when it comes through, it's always at like the weirdest times. Like it'll be like when you're in the shower or when you're brushing your teeth, or like you'll be watching TV and then all of a sudden it's like epiphany.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. What is it, what does it feel like for you both when when you feel like something is like that's the message, or that's that's what you've received? Like, is it is it just absolute clarity or is it a feeling? Yeah, I think it's clarity.

SPEAKER_02

It's I feel like it's just like little epiphanies.

Pop Culture Signs And Radio Synchronicity

SPEAKER_02

Like we, so we talk about this all the time, but we we get a lot of messages through like movies and TV shows that we watch. So that's why we always joke like when we give people readings or when we're connecting, or even on the podcast, when we're channeling on our podcast, like a lot of messages come through the form of like pop culture references or like movie or TV show things. So like even our even our starseed disclosure calls that we do on YouTube, like we always joke, like we're like, no, we just watch enough movies that like all the disclosure messages become very clear.

SPEAKER_00

I really, I really love that because I I one of the things I love is music, when music is sort of that confirmation in the background, or it's just a word or a title or a person, or just you know, every lyric in the song, however, however subtle and or loud it has to be. But and that's always one of my favorite moments.

SPEAKER_02

It's like that we always play that game, like when we're in the car, if we have like the radio on, it's like that game with spirit where you're like, send us a song. Like we always say, like, send us a song, a message on something. And just just the other week, we were like driving and we were talking about something. It was actually the Scorpio full moon week and that that Saturday, and like we were driving, talking about something, and like talking about something we were releasing, and it was to do with um a person that's like not in our life anymore. And it was like we were driving by like place that we used to like spend time with this person, and like all of a sudden on the radio, no doubt comes on. Oh, what was the song? It was don't speak, don't speak, and it was like, oh my god, we don't talk, like we don't talk anymore. Like we were like, cool, cool, cool, spirit, way to call us out.

SPEAKER_00

That's so good. That's such a good moment of confirmation.

Trust Timing Over Forced Clarity

SPEAKER_00

Do I wonder, um, I wonder if do you ever feel that your energy is a bit um like mucked up in a sense that have you ever searched too hard for for an answer and then you start to find meaning in everything, and then there's no clarity to be found because you know it's like I guess if there's an antenna as a metaphor, you know, it's going in ways, it's getting too many signals. Have you ever had found yourself in a moment like that?

SPEAKER_02

I think I don't think I've searched, I don't think I've reviewed like received messages and thought everything was a message. I think I've tried to like force clarity, where like I'm like, but if I just meditate for a whole hour, like it's all gonna become clear. And it's like, no, it's not ready to be clear yet. You can't, you can't like for like clarity is not something you can force, or it's not like a solution that you can make happen. So I think that I I think earlier on I did a lot more of that where I felt like I was always like, honestly, I was always meditating to like seek and seek something or receive something. And I I, you know, as I as we both kind of grew, like we don't really need to do that anymore. It's like I don't need to like seek anything out because I know that it's going to find me at the right time. Or if I hear something, or if I receive like this is the other thing, I do this a lot too. Like I'll receive something in the middle of the night when I wake up. And then I used to like panic. Like, am I gonna forget it? I gotta get up and write it down right now. Now I'm like, no, like if I forget it, like they're just gonna bring it back in a different way. So I'm not like stressed about not having the clarity because I know I'm either going to remember it or they're just gonna bring it back in a different way if I haven't received it in the right way.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_00

I totally I dig that. I dig that because I feel like when it's meant for you. I mean, it just keeps circling, it just keeps circling back. Like it wants you as much as it it you want it, I suppose.

unknown

Yes.

SPEAKER_02

And I think too, like, I think like I mean, I do think there is a weakness in like looking at everything as like a clue or sign, but like it depends on like what the intent is, maybe, and what you're seeking the clarity on. So, like, like not forcing it in the sense of like, I feel like there's a lot of different messages you could receive in the in the process of trying to find the clarity. And it's kind of like just collect them all and don't try to make everything the thing, right? Like now they told me this, and all of a sudden, like an hour later, I got something contradicting that. Like it could just be your intention and like you're becoming more aware of the options, like the possibilities.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I feel like maybe you're saying you as a collective, but I'm taking it very personally because I I I'm in that moment in my, I think just in my my life practice where I have I it almost feels like there's multiple, I think there's multiple moments of clarity desired, like moments of like when is this thing gonna be the thing that makes the most sense? And but it's at such pivotal parts of being a person that I am growing increasingly uh uncomfortable. And you know, I I love discomfort in an expansive type of experience, but there are moments when yeah, I feel like I'm always searching for like, is now like is now the time? Like, am I ready? You know, and there's just this moment of like practicing receiving, and and yeah, I think it's the same as what you were saying, which is that you don't get to press fast forward, you just get to live. And yeah, that moment, that moment will find you. But I have you had moments where you do you energy cleanse, or you know, do you ever feel as though there's too much attached to you? Whether it's your own meaning or just feelings that have attached to you for sure. I think it was deep. I was like, yeah.

SPEAKER_02

I I think like as we've kind of gone on our path, like we're a lot better at like energetic boundaries and like how do I say this? Like, I like one thing that's become very clear to us on our path though is that it's okay to be in it and immerse yourself in it and like feel it all completely and wholly, but then still being able to pull yourself out of it or step back and like ask yourself, like, is this mine or is this something else? Like, is this someone else's or something else that I'm like picking up somewhere? So, like we do, I think try to be intentional with like cleansing ourselves, whether we use like frequency, like we have a like a tuning fork that we use. Um, and then obviously quite literally, like we'll burn like white sage and we'll do like smoke cleansings too. Yeah. I think it's harder. This is interesting, but like going to crowded events, I find harder energetically than than just maybe like a typical day where you might interact with people or doing be interacting virtually. Um, but I also think it depends on the medium in which you're interacting with them because I find going to like maybe it's a convention or maybe it's a festival, um, a big event, like that might be more taxing on me, or like a day out shopping in person might be more taxing. But like if we go to like a concert, it's like the opposite. Like, I'm like, I really love, like, I love the energetics of being in that moment with a group of people because you're like I always say this, but you're never like at a concert, like judging people or thinking like I wonder what they think about XYZ. I wonder if they believe in XYZ. Like you're never like looking at people in that way at a concert because you're like all part of a collective like experience in that moment in time. And like I think that's a like beautiful part of how like live music brings people together.

SPEAKER_00

I love that you said that because I I feel the same way about, and I'm sure, especially given the current culture, many, many people would agree with you about uh the musical experience, especially in an event format. Like if you have traveled, if you've traveled far or waited a long time to see somebody, I think there's that, yeah, just like you're amongst your people when you're in that crowd. Even if they're finding that performer or that music for the first time, or if you know they've been a fan longer than you, it's like what I imagine just speaking directly, it's like I I think that music at that level is just talking to God. Like it's just you, it's just you, God, and then maybe all the church goers. It's very powerful.

SPEAKER_01

Very powerful.

SPEAKER_00

Wrote

Night Terror And Being Amplifiers

SPEAKER_00

down so last time when we got a little cut off because banging, deep, deep, deep gottoral banging was happening, two doors down. Can I just say that the moment that I shut off they were done and they were packing up and they were leaving? It was it was so I was like, don't think too hard about this, but it was like just not meant, it's just not meant to be. It was one of those moments. But it was kind of funny, I guess.

SPEAKER_02

I feel like I knew that was gonna happen. I was like, watch it be like now they're done. And but I also feel like I just trusted that maybe there was maybe there was more that needed to happen between like the first interview and the second part of the interview that like is going to come out and there's a reason it had to happen when it did. I always trust in that. I think that you know, I was thinking about what you said too, how you were talking about having that nightmare, and you were like, Yes, I haven't experienced anything like this before. And night terror. Yes. Night terror. Much more terrifying, I think. Yes. We were having a conversation about um, because we made that joke on the first part of this interview where we were like, oh, like when you're around us, things happen because that does happen to people. And we were like, why do you think that is? Like we were having this conversation between the two of us. And then it was like this like aha moment where I was like, Oh, I kind of forgot that we're amplifiers. And that's part of being an amplifier because we don't always like publicly talk about being amplifiers, but I think that people who do have conversations with us experience it and they don't always, some of them understand it. Some of them are like, I don't know what this was, but I feel like I'm high off the energy. And I'm like, Yeah, that's because we amplified you. Um, but that's part of why it is like we people have experiences after like being with us or sitting with us or being in the energy in the container that we create, because it does, it can amplify like your intuition, your gifts, different experiences maybe you weren't open to before. And we were describing it the other day as it's kind of like a full moon. Like the veil's just a little bit thinner around us, so you might have a lot more experiences.

SPEAKER_00

I so I have questions about what you mean by like more details about amplification, but I also want to say quickly, because I'm so I'm so happy that you brought the night terror up, because since last week, I have I've been working through this um just this, this, this feeling that things some feeling that I can't quite describe that I would say is generally quite good, but I can't name it. And so I'm just sort of allowing it to become whatever it is. It's something new and I've been cultivating. And at the same time, like I still have a placeholder for how just terrified I was when I had this this night terror, this feeling that made me wake up screaming, you know, not a good feeling. And and I've been thinking about that feeling because it's like, you know, as scared as you can be is like as happy as you can be. And I was trying to think of like what that type of like happiness would feel like, like so overjoyed that you know, that you're screaming or that you're yelling. But I don't know, I so it's just so interesting because like I'm I'm happy that I get to bring that up today with with both of you rather than you know, I wouldn't have been able to work through that had we had we had a full discussion last week.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah that makes sense. And I do want to add to that, I think so fear and excitement come from the same place. Oh yeah, we talk about that a lot. So so oftentimes, like you're like when you experience like the greatest amount of resistance towards something, it's often the thing that you have to do to move move to like a new threshold. Um, but we always talk about like fear and excitement coming from the same place. It's like right in that like sacral, sacral area. Um and if you can move to a place of like more excitement and anticipation towards something rather than like I'm worried, anxious, or fearful of it. It's it's like the expansion, it's being open to possibilities puts you in a state of expansion versus the fear side putting you into interaction, right? So I think I mean I definitely think it's possible to spectrum.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I I love that. It's like it's like an it's very much a node. Like we have so many nodes of emotion and feeling in our and our beings, and they're always there too. Like you can't just you can't just pluck it out. Although I'm sure people have tried. But about the amplification, what do you mean? Can you tell me more?

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I mean, so it's like this was not something we were always always consciously aware of about ourselves, I should say. Like it's we've only really become consciously aware of it, I feel like, honestly, this year, like 2026.

SPEAKER_00

Um is this an industry term or is this something that you guys have have turned um coined?

SPEAKER_02

I think there's people who use it. Yeah, I think it's like a I would say like more industry, like people use it. Like, I give the example of like we are amplifiers versus some other people who are more like they're designed for like teaching or they're designed for uh what's another contrast, Lacey? I think of like when people orient you on your path, oh yeah, they help redirect you. So like there's these different, like I feel like innate designs and archetypes in us. And like Lacey and I talk all the time about archetypes in the form of our starsea lineages, right? And and how we work with clients, but on the amplification side, like we're there to like magnify something within someone. So that could be something they're working through, maybe something they don't want to look at could get magnified, and that would be a difficult conversation. Versus it could be something where they're seeing their potential, they're remembering, they're they're remembering and seeing this different part of their soul, which is a lot of what we do with the starseed side of things. And in general, with this amplification piece, like we feel it when we're working with someone, even when we're doing like an interview with someone or like on our YouTube show doing it, like it's like this energetic, it's hard to describe, it's this energetic feeling, Lacey and I get where it just all of a sudden it clicks into place and you can just feel the person like open to you. I liken it to like when we channel, like when you fully, fully, fully trust in your channel, your channel just keeps keeps opening wider and wider, and more is gonna flow through you and out. And so it kind of feels like that energetically. And this is just like the really this is about the behind the scenes uh description of this that we actually use the two of us that we never share publicly is we actually play, so we play this video game and it's it's the Hogwarts Legacy video game because we're dorks. Um anywho, in the game, there's this, there's these different levels of the spell that's like for unlocking locks. And it's like called Alumuraha. Alamohora. Alamohora? Yeah. Something like that. Anywho, you do this thing in the game where it shows like these two like sets of gears, like a little one and then an outer one, and you like move the gears until like it clicks. Um, I describe it as that. Like it feels like I feel like the gears turning, and then it just clicks and everything like opens up like during the interaction.

SPEAKER_00

That is, I that's a great symbolism, it's very, very visceral symbolism. I can feel that. Do

Starseed Types And Dominant Lineage

SPEAKER_00

you have when it comes to like starseeds and I guess the different archetypes, do you feel very similarly with just a conversation with someone having being able to sort of navigate, you know, what they're saying or how they're responding to you? Does that does that point you in a general direction for what you believe their archetype to be? Or is there more of a of a process you like to undergo with them, like questions you like to ask?

SPEAKER_02

It kind of depends. Sometimes it's like really screaming from someone, and we're like, wow, that's really a blah, blah, blah, blah. Sometimes it like unfolds over time, like maybe we're getting to know someone, and then I'm like, oh, like they're X, Y, Z. Um, and then I think as we did more and more work with it, like as we filmed podcast episodes on the different types, like they started to like bring examples of people we know that are that type of starseed. Um, so that kind of helps too. It, but they can, like we were talking about this the other day with a client, actually. Like it can, these like starseed lineages, like they're kind of like archetypes, um, but they can be expressed in very different ways. So Like, for example, like I'm just thinking of Orion Starseeds. Like it you can get the you can get the more like I don't know what to call it, like the tougher Orion starseeds, and then you can get very gushy Orion starseeds. Like yeah, like it it's a spectrum, like generally speaking, like they have traits that they kind of share, but like one might be more extreme than the other. So like with using that example of an Orion starseed, one might be more towards like this badass rebel archetype versus another one might be more of like a quiet badass, like maybe she's creating art, but she still wears her combat boots and she still quietly like doesn't agree with things that the majority of people agree with. She's still rebelling the system.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah. Do you is every is everyone a starseed? Or is not it's not everybody a starseed?

SPEAKER_02

This is the million-dollar question that we always um so in our work, we believe everyone is. Um, we believe that everyone actually on Earth essentially originates from some sort of like cosmic galactic origins. They're all starseeds. I just don't think everyone is, I don't think every incarnation was designed for them to connect to that part of their soul. So I think the people who are meant to awaken and remember are meant to awaken and remember that part of themselves. And those that aren't aren't meant to awaken and remember that part of themselves. But we truly, like from all of our channelings, like we believe everybody essentially split off. Everybody's basically a teeny tiny fragment from source, and we just come from different star systems.

SPEAKER_00

Is there a a name or a title or like a lineage from maybe someone who that's not this lifetime that they're trying to source back to prior lifetimes? Like is there is there, is there a type of is that a type of starseed that you would label? Sounds really gross to say here, but would you label them? Or or or that could that be many different types? It's just it's just like people and the fact that sometimes you want to know and sometimes you don't want to know. You know, I don't know the questions that come out sometimes. If you could piece that together, I'd be I think so.

SPEAKER_02

I think how we I think I'll take it this direction. We when we connect with people, we believe that there is like a dominant lineage that influences this incarnation. I think it is possible, in theory, for every soul to have experienced like multiple different kinds of planets and star systems, though. So they might have connections, like they could have been a Pleiadian, an Orion, all these different lifetimes, right? But I do believe there's a dominant lineage that influences this incarnation. And when we connect to people energetically, like we get the question a lot, like, can you be a hybrid? And it's like, yes, you can be a hybrid. You could be, you know, 75% Orion, 25% Andromedan. So like you still get like influences sometimes from other parts of yourself, but like we do believe there's like a dominant one that kind of influences how you're moving through this incarnation. And that, you know, we're perfect examples of that. Like Lacey and I identify from different origins. But when we were going through that starseed awakening process, it was a very like confusing process to navigate because we're like, well, we're twins. We must be from the same like star system, and we were very like third-dimensional about it, is how we describe it. Like, very like small-minded and logical about it, versus when we actually started to kind of clutter clear the clutter, it was like, no, I'm from Sirius, Lacey's from Lyra. We incarnated together for a reason. We'd had other lifetimes together, and like we pick up each other's traits because we've spent a lot of incarnations together. Yeah. I do want to say though. Oh, go for it. I was gonna say, I do want to add, I do think there are some starseed types that maybe aren't as maybe that not as many of them will awaken and remember their lineage. Like I feel like we talked about this, but I feel like mall maldeck starseeds don't always like they don't always like awaken and remember their starseed lineage. They might be a little more, um, they might have more of a human focus, which is totally fine, or non-spiritual focus, I guess I should say. Um, that's just the one that's popping into my mind right now. So I think that it can depend. Like some of them might not be as uh dominant or connected to that spiritual side. What was the what was the name of that one? Uh Maldec. Yeah, Maldec. Okay. Or Maldekian starseeds, they sometimes are called.

SPEAKER_00

Deekian. So do you is that um someone that you would work less with that you found sharing your gifts with less with?

SPEAKER_02

Somebody from Yeah, I yes, I can say like we have not had a Maldekian starseed on USD. No, we have not. Like we we can channel from Maldek beings and and we can channel from these beings, but like I haven't had a Maldik, we've never had a Maldekian starseed book.

SPEAKER_00

So three-dimensionally speaking, is that like a dream client is to be able to work with?

SPEAKER_02

I don't know. I mean, I guess they'd have to be an awakened one because if they're not open to hearing it, like I think it's possible. I really do think it's possible. It's just not as common. Like, like we always say, like, you're gonna find like we have like this core group of seven that we refer to as the galactic founders. Like those are the most common types we uh encounter. And then there's more of these like niche like groups. We call them niche because they're like a little less common, but I think it's possible to like it happens, like I'm sure it will. We say that, and now like watch somebody like come forward, like I'm actually like they're gonna comment on Instagram. Actually, I identify as a most it's me.

SPEAKER_00

I oh my gosh, I'm not gonna forget what I was gonna say. Oh, your your Instagram actually. That was a perfect segue.

Starseeds On Screen And The Quiz

SPEAKER_00

That I've been enjoying this the new the new content of of breaking down characters from from cinema, you know, like and that's so interesting to me. And I, you know, I I am so excited to to read more and more and to see more of who how you would break down these characters and who they associate with. And I started to take a quiz to see, you know, what my placement would be. Like I don't I don't think placement is the correct term, but I'm because I was just super curious. And I was like, why would I why would I take the quiz? I could just probably ask both of you like what your intuitive hits are on it. There's no pressure for you to answer this question, but I would absolutely adore it if you if you had insight.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, so well, first I wanted to say I'm glad you're enjoying the Star Seeds on Screen series because we have more of it coming. And this is exactly what we're talking about. Like, chant, like this, this stuff just comes through, and all of a sudden, this one day, it just like that one hit me brushing my teeth. I was like, oh my God, I need to share these, I need to share this with the world because I was like, this is like it comes through and we're channeling on the podcast, and we give these examples that they bring forward from what we watch and what we consume. And I'm like, this would actually really help people identify and understand.

SPEAKER_00

And it's it can come from such a nostalgic place, too. Like just film and these are characters that we have wanted to be or have not wanted to be, or you know, could speak, could speak a lot on. So yeah, I think it's brilliant and yeah, and fun.

SPEAKER_02

It's in it's incredibly relational, and I think that it helps put it into context for people so they're not as like confused by it. I will say also, we do have a Starseed types quiz on our newsletter. We can share that with you too. Yeah, please, please too. And like the quiz is like a really great, I think, starting point to get people thinking about like where they could fit within this maybe belief system or modality, if that's what you want to call it.

SPEAKER_00

Ooh, modality. That that that strikes a chord. I do like that on a on a selfish level, but modality is everything.

SPEAKER_02

I think we have to connect with your energy some more to give you a better, a more accurate read. Because that's the other thing. Like the qu like I said, the quiz is a great starting point, but like there's a different like when we enter into a space with someone and open that portal together, there's like a different energetic read on people. So we'd have to kind of feel into that, I think, a little bit more closely to give you a a better description.

SPEAKER_00

I respect that. I respect that. I would never want I will open my energy to you and take all of the quizzes. Um but that's very exciting. Because who doesn't love a quiz? Although not all of them have outcomes that we would enjoy, but I imagine this one will be will be good. So

3D Programming And Growth Edges

SPEAKER_00

um oh, I last time before we got cut off, I we were kind of talking a lot about 3D programming and the curriculum. I remember that was quite a uh a keyword. Um but I I wonder, is that something when you're helping someone along their path and and with their ascension, is that something that comes into play a lot? Is is making sense of their own curriculums, like these these lessons that you're learning and like how that's shaping you to where you're trying to go.

SPEAKER_02

I think so. Yeah. I think that we dig into a lot of like the growth edges. It's not always pretty. But and that's part of, I think that's part of understanding your your starseed lineage, but like how we always describe it as how they designed your lifetime, your incarnation, like is understanding the different challenges and growth edges that they designed specifically for you so that you can become the person that you're meant to become and learn the things that you're meant to learn to get to wherever you are desiring to go. So I think that part of part of that ascension work is understanding one's growth edges and that I mean, that's essentially your curriculum, what what you're here to learn and what you're here to move through.

SPEAKER_00

I've never I've never heard the term growth edges before, but that is a very speci that's a very nice visual, I think, to because it it it gives you, I mean, it gives me a feeling that you're almost always there, you know? And it's just a little farther. It's a little, it's becoming a little bigger, a little more compact. But like those are your edges, and you get to keep finding them and feeling them out and defining them. Or maybe falling over them too, if we're if we're talking on the artistic side of things, I think.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah. I think too, like even like just saying growth edges, like it's your it could be, you know, it's challenges too that you're going through, but it's not a bad thing. Like so many people, I think, get consumed in like the the human emotion side of it, which I'm not saying you like immerse yourself in the emotions, yes. But like it, like I feel like it's almost like when like where we find your biggest weakness, this is our actually your biggest strengths, right? Like I think about for Lacey and I, like we used to like growing up, it was really challenging being identical twins. Like it was something that we felt people shamed us for. Like we felt like the external world was always looking at us and judging us and comparing us. And so it had this really negative feeling. But then like as we kind of grew into like adulthood, we realized like this is a strength. Like this is actually a really unique thing that we get to have that that isn't something we need to be ashamed of. It's something that we we came here specifically to to hold in this lifetime.

SPEAKER_00

It's such a profoundly beautiful experience, too, to have a sibling, but let alone an identical twin. It's incredibly powerful, too, that you're able to experience both sides of it because I mean it kind of comes back to what we're talking about fear and happiness coming from the same place. That you know, you have something that feels as though it's deeply shameful, but also it is the most celebrate something to so deeply celebrate.

SPEAKER_01

So that's really that's really quite magical. It is it really is. Um when it comes to your curriculum again.

SPEAKER_00

Actually, what are your current you don't have to share, but what are your current growth edges, would you say? Is there um and it could be within, you know, twin essence, but or it could be personal, however you I think so there's two that come to mind for me.

SPEAKER_02

One's like spiritual, one is like um more, I don't know, it's not really spiritual, it's more like what I'm dealing with every day right now. The first one that comes to mind is like I am moving through like a different layer of, I don't know, I'm like remembrance where I'm I'm activating more light language, which is a very interesting experience. Um, I think that it sometimes makes me really uncomfortable just because I never saw myself as being a person that would speak light language. Um, and sometimes I feel quite silly when I'm doing it, or like I like judge myself, like, what are you even doing? Do you even know what you're saying? And I'm like, well, it's what came out, like that kind of thing. So that is one thing I'm currently moving through, and our membership gets to experience more of that where it's like it comes out of my mouth during a session, and I'm like, I'm more scared of it than they are. They think it's normal. And I'm the one that's kind of like inside. Inside, I'm like, was that right? Was it good enough? Um, and then the other thing that I'm moving through is I don't really know what know what to call this. It's almost like I feel like I am moving through, it's kind of like releasing fears and surrendering certain things. There's like a lot of like change happening. So it's like I'm I'm getting used to like instead of looking at things as a negative, I'm looking at it as more of like an opportunity to do something different and opening myself up to whatever is being brought in right now. So like I'm kind of surrendering a lot of decisions to see what is what is actually going to stick right now. Yeah, because I feel like it's hard to, I can think of like what I feel like there's one we just got over that was, and I'm sure I say that and there's it's gonna reach a new level too. But before I talk about that one, I would just say for me right now, I feel like I've been I feel like it's been like how I'm holding everything, is the way I describe it. So like like growing my capacity to hold a lot. So whether it's like like there's just a lot going on, like between like what I do in my day job and twin essence and like managing my time and making time for what is important to me and like how am I holding the pressure of it all? Because that's something, and I've gone through different layers of this, this holding pressure concept. And so like I get like overwhelmed sometimes, and then I feel like I do I'm doing a really bad job at it. But I feel like that's something I'm working on is like how I'm holding the pressure of everything happening at once. And then the one that comes to mind, and I feel like I want to speak on this, this is a big deal for us, is we were going through, and I'm sure I get again, this could cycle, you know, you go through cycles, but the the the growth edge of receiving like censorship and like hate online, and that's the best way I can say it. Like

Censorship And Speaking Your Truth

SPEAKER_02

we went through this month, it was it was just this March, I believe it was, where it was like just men commenting on things, like being mean and rude, and like, and it was like every roadblock we would hit. Like it's like we'd put a post on TikTok, TikTok would flag it and be like, you're spreading misinformation. And then like we had like it's just like it was like one thing after the other, like when we started our membership. I like within like a week or two, like a couple weeks of starting it, Telegram banned me. Like I got banned and I didn't, I like was about to record my like about to record my first transmission for the group, and then Telegram was just like, hmm, you're spam. And I was like, what, like you can't ban me from my own group. Yeah, that was that was like the greatest mystery we'll never solve. Well, I think we did solve it. Yeah, like how we're showing up and sharing our truth and like what space we're creating for those who who want to work with us or enter into our our universe?

SPEAKER_00

Is there and I am only asking this be because of like deep-seated beliefs and whatnot, which I think you both clearly work through and help other people work through, but is there is there any voice at any point that's like, what if I am spreading, you know, misinformation? Is there, is it, is it when that popped up, you were like, oh no, like was there some part of you that clenched that was like they're right. Not saying that they are, but I I'm just curious, like, what comes up when when that happens?

SPEAKER_02

So I think here's what's so interesting about this. Like, you go through cycles of it, and I think early in our journeys, it would have been the self-doubt response of like, should I be doing this? Is this a me thing? What's wrong with me? This this last phase that we had gone through, it was like opposite. Like it was, it was no, I know I'm right. You're not going to stop me. I'm going to get louder and I'm going to spread even more now. So it was like this different like rising to this different edge within it. And I feel like that's that right there is, at least for Lacey and I, that is evidence that we've that we've progressed.

unknown

Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

That's growth. Yeah. And you don't like you don't receive the information to do nothing with it. Like, yeah. It's not helping anyone for me to sit on a disclosure message or a collective transmission or something. Like it, and that was a thing to move through, right? Because there were times where we were like really scared to share polarizing viewpoints. Um, because we don't like, I think this is actually a really good topic to talk about because I just posted a video about this. But like we, I'm glad I I want to talk about this too.

SPEAKER_00

So I know where you're wrong.

SPEAKER_02

Okay, good. I okay, this is the thing. In the ascension new earth, like alien star seed, star being extraterrestrial, whatever you word you want to use, like that realm. There are some like very, very large accounts, very large. Um, I'm just gonna call them ascension guides, like very big people that work in this space. And Marley and I have very opposite views of some of these individuals, like what we receive and how the transmissions and channelings that we have are very different from what they're sharing. So it was a lot to move through in the beginning to even share anything because we were like, well, that's not what the collective and the majority online spiritually are saying about this topic. So what if people think we're like crazy and think we're wrong? Um, and in reality, it was like, no, I'm here, we're here to give a different viewpoint and approach to this than these other individuals. So it was a lot to move through to share all of that and start hosting disclosure calls and and just speaking our truth. But that's where this concept, this video that I posted today came from because it started coming up in our membership. And I won't name names, obviously, but there's like certain accounts and individuals where people are like, hey, so-and-so posted about XYZ. And you've posted about XYZ, but you've said it this way and explained it, and they're saying this, and it's different from what you said. Why, why, why is that possible? Who's telling them this? Are they wrong? Where do they get their information?

Unity Consciousness And Multiple Truths

SPEAKER_02

They asked Marlene Knight that. Um, and my answer was, they're not wrong. Like, they're not wrong. It's just part of their mission and how they're receiving information. And their mission might be to awaken a certain, let's just say, chunk of the population or collective to a certain level of consciousness. And a lot of the time, humans are very, very comfortable living in what we call 3D programming. And one of those 3D programmings is duality, and that duality of it's this or that, it's good or bad, it's evil or it's positive or negative, it's it's hero or villain. Like they like to do the duality of it's one way or the other, and there's nothing in between. Um, and some of these individuals share a lot of channelings that are based on like extremes. It's just like extreme. Yes. So they share things like there's evil beings that are trying to keep Earth small and they're they're lying to you, they're evil, there's reptilians running the world, they're in these positions of power and they're keeping you down, and things like that that we hear in the space that we do not receive and we do not resonate with. Um, so I always say their mission might be to share this information, how they receive it, and awaken a certain population to a level of consciousness. But our mission is our mission, and we share things in a in a different Degraded way. So one's not right or wrong. One's not good or bad. It's just multiple truths existing at once.

SPEAKER_00

It reminds me of, I mean, you know, different lens and different perspectives, but it reminds me of like in film class, they always show editing the same film with different lenses. And so you can have you, maybe you've seen this. Like I think the most famous one and the first one that I ever saw, it was probably like 10 years ago, was the Mrs. Doubtfire one that was edited to be like a suspense horror. And so Mrs. Doubtfire is a comedy with Robin Williams, and it's hilarious and it's adorable. But like they edited the preview to be horror. And it have you seen this? Like, do you do you have you ever have you ever seen this? I I will send it to you because it kind of goes with what you're talking about with referencing like pop culture and cinema to make the point. And I think that like, you know, you're gonna see that movie and you're gonna have your own opinion. You're like, this isn't a horror at all. But they do that all the time in film to get you to come see the movie. They will edit it like it's a rom-com and it's actually not funny and it's a heartbreaker, you know what I mean? And that people make these executive decisions just to manip, you know, sometimes manipulate you, sometimes just to get more money because it's gonna be a flop. And sometimes they do it so good, you know, so good. And you knew exactly what you signed up for, but like not everybody was gonna make it to the theater, and maybe everyone needed to see the movie, you know? And so there's many different ways to edit it. And I guess that that's how I feel about what you're saying about receiving very conflicting messages, but maybe, yeah, the for the right person, they're getting the right information. Cause like otherwise, if you're, you know, if you're thinking in a more hateful way, you're not probably gonna receive the the messages that are more subtle or more like nuanced or maybe more like built-in an open love, you know, versus like a closed love. So I yeah, yeah, I guess that is hard for a lot of people. I also kind of wanted to say this too, and maybe you agree, and maybe there's a better word for it, but I feel like people right now, because we have such a polarizing way of thinking with the yes or the no, or the black and the white, or evil and and goodness, like that sometimes we I think that like love really does fix all of those things if you just lead with you know the concept of like a very open heart. And some people I don't know, I think there's a blurriness between like loving deeply and then not seeing the horror of a moment, and then there's you know, not loving at all, not seeing the beauty of the moment. So yeah, I guess it's uncomfortable to be on either side of that spectrum.

SPEAKER_02

I I mean, I think like what you're speaking to is like unity consciousness, is what we call it. And it's this idea that I mean, quite literally, right? Lacey and I said, we all came from source and like we're fragments that fractured off to have this physical 3D incarnation in this human form. And part of that existence is to experience it all, which means there's going to be negatives on the polarity spectrum and positives on that spectrum, but ultimately it's that unity consciousness, like we're all still very much interconnected. And and how can we integrate and understand? And I always say the word accept, like all that is as it is to be the whole. So it's not that, and I always clarify with this, it's not that we're agreeing with everything someone does, like we still have our own opinions and our own values, but I can recognize and accept that um multiple truths exist and that there's going to be ways that people will will will beliefs people have or ways that people live that maybe aren't aligned with how I choose to live.

SPEAKER_00

Do you feel like you can help people through that type of? I feel it's like a like a supreme amount of discomfort when there's that type of like dichotomy.

SPEAKER_02

It it does push a lot of people to to like look at it that way. Um, and it's a belief system thing. Yeah. So like Lacey and I like we like it kind of goes back to that 3D programming idea. And like we do work a lot with clients on this because it's like, how can you expand your belief systems and like approach things from a higher consciousness perspective, is how we say it. And so, um, my gosh, it just went out of my head. Where was I going with this? Well, I was gonna say, you know, it it makes me think of the the act of forgiveness. Like it's not about absolving someone of something they did. It's not about like brushing off if they were like abusive or horrific and did all these awful things. It's it's not about that at all. It's just looking at it from an understanding of, okay, like what was in this for me? What did I learn from it? How do I untangle myself from them energetically and go do my own thing? It's because they have their journey too, and they came here to teach people certain lessons too, no matter how painful and awful those might be. Um, it's like you can not like someone and strongly disagree with their viewpoints, opinions, or their life choices, but that contrast is also there as a learning mechanism for you, whether you're directly interacting with it or just observing it.

SPEAKER_00

Really, I don't want to use a Trump example, but I feel like it's a really good example. And the and then I won't go into and I don't, and I don't want to, and I and I won't go into any I just think the the concept of it's he's such a good example of potentially the horrors of of of a human and also potentially being in a position that could do the most good. And there's just there's just uh it's a really interesting way that people still make room for him to be doing this job, this this duty that we have hold to such a high regard. And yet, you know, a great deal of uh the American people would condemn somebody for still believing in him, and it and it's a weird, you know, and I guess I think comedians are maybe a better example, because I think maybe Trump is too much for me to chew off right now. But like with comedians, sometimes you learn about them and you're like, well, I don't want to laugh at these jokes anymore. Because you I think with comedy, you know, comedians have they've lived some lives where they've been through some things, and the way that they can find the humor in a situation comes from, you know, immense pain or immense isolation, or you know, it could come from it could come from very good places, but sometimes when you learn about the person, you no longer want to laugh at the joke. And it's interesting to shut off something that could be so funny, and rather than like integrate that all of those factors are what made this person so funny. And, you know, this this pain or this shame has also really ascended their their comedy to like a universal level, which is really, really wonderful and very necessary.

SPEAKER_02

It's an incredible example, and that's a great comfortable example. I think we always go to the extreme ones. We do go there.

SPEAKER_00

Please, go, please go there.

SPEAKER_02

I mean, we talk about the orange, it's the elephant in the room, okay? We call him the orange, we call him the orange in all, but the orange also was part of our censorship, okay? So just to be clear, we were that's why it is the orange. TikTok, okay. Yes, and on and on meta. So we had to we had to change terminology for a reason. Um gosh, that's good. It's a great, it's a great example because um I don't have to agree with everything he's doing, but I do understand the higher consciousness perspective of what he's doing and why he's here. And I do understand the way his reign is serving as a mass awakening for many, many people in this country and in the world. And I do understand that not everything he's doing is bad. There are good parts to it, such as UFO UAP files declassifying things. But there are um the way, like I guess the way like they we've received it is that it's all about like holding more than one truth and understanding that you don't go back to us, you don't go back asleep once you're awake. Does that make sense that I that make was that English when I said that? It sounded weird saying it out loud. Perfect English. So it's this concept. It's this concept of like again, we we said it, but we'll say it again, like how we're holding multiple truths. So, like Lacey, you just said the example of declassifying files, right, on UFOs, UAPs, acknowledging that there's government interaction and relationships with extraterrestrials, right? And there's so many people, again, it's that 3D belief system where we go into extremes. One side of the spectrum is like, yeah, we love him, he's doing this. And then the other side of the spectrum is like, how dare he do this? This is just distracting from X, Y, Z, you know, name three other horrid horrid, awful things going on right now. It's happening, right? And they always say, like, what wait, what did you say? They said the other files, the other distracting computer files. That we know the other files, but we don't want to get displayed.

SPEAKER_00

The PDFs too, I think. Is it PDF is one of the terms I've I've heard, like the PDFs, release the PDFs.

SPEAKER_02

I I think I called it, I think my my word for it was like the Dr. Evil files. Like, um files like that. They're like, oh my god, they're distracting. And my response is distracting from who? If I know all this is real and exists, I can hold it all. And you can't. Why are we defaulting to the extreme of one way or the other? Why not integrate it all and recognize everything that's out there and existing right now?

SPEAKER_00

Sorry, that just set me down a uh I was like interesting, interesting. I I think with with the orange, yeah, there's there's it would be interesting to see uh an endpoint of honor. That would be like the biggest loop ever of like, okay, did the thing, and then like to step down into, you know, potentially I don't reap the reward is not the word that I want, but the the terminology is once consequence, but that's okay. I don't we don't have to we don't have to go too deep into that. Are there other examples that you would use with as far as balancing, like balancing and holding both both truths? Does that actually I'm curious is that part of what Marley you said you were trying to learn to balance to hold more to to hold more things? Is that does that have to do with I mean it can.

SPEAKER_02

I think like I was speaking from a pressure standpoint of it all, but like holding multiple truths, like that is something I think that has to actively get worked on. And we do work with clients on this too.

Triggers, Forgiveness, And Untangling

SPEAKER_02

But like the example that comes up is we were actually just doing like uh like some work with like triggers recently. And so this is a perfect example of like triggers and like how you work and heal through triggers, I think is a great example of like holding multiple truths because you can have a like you can select, like if you just close your eyes and imagine a person in your mind right now who is a trigger for you. Could be somebody from childhood, could be somebody from your college years, like somebody you had at a job, right? You name it. A person who's a trigger. And when you sit with that, like the more you work with that trigger and untangle yourself from it, it's like you recognize your role in it, you recognize their role in it, and it's like you're balancing all those truths. The truth of I felt like this person really treated me awfully and they made me feel like this as a kid. But then the other truth of if I didn't go through this, I probably wouldn't have developed boundaries and you don't need all these other things that you develop from it. So it's like that's an example I think I give of like holding all those truths and like, and that's okay. That's just how it is. That's the whole picture. And being able to like release both of you from it. Yes. And be like, okay, like this is complete. Like, I don't have to be okay with what they did to me, but I also understand where it got me and what I learned from it. And now I'm untangled from the energetic mess of what that was for me.

SPEAKER_00

Yeah, I think there's like an ability to not be, yeah, to not be okay with something that someone did or did to you or said to you, but also to get to the moment where you're still okay with them, you know, and that's like a really wonderful, empowering feeling that I feel like a lot of people never get the opportunity to actually experience, you know, to be able to come back to something that maybe broke you a little bit and to have like, you know, one forgiveness or two to really, yeah, to hold to hold multiple truths and sometimes let someone back into your life too. I mean, there's a I think there's a lot to be said for seeing like the ugliest of someone or like the darkest part of someone and still loving all the good parts, you know?

SPEAKER_01

Yeah, yeah, absolutely. Yeah.

SPEAKER_02

We're like, okay, well, it's like it's like we're talking about like the deep dark topics, like just the heaviest topics for a Thursday night.

SPEAKER_00

Um, well, it is 756, so I I feel really good about that the amount that we got to talk about. And is there anything specifically that you wanted to bring up? I know

Twin Magic Reading Offer And Close

SPEAKER_00

you we have a promo to announce that.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, I think I would say I feel like I don't remember if we talked about this in the last interview or not, but um, because we were talking about the different star being and or the starseed types, and I feel like we always describe it as like there are individuals who see the world through like astrology and human design and all these different like modalities. We always say we see the world through starseed, like the starseed lens, and how that's kind of how we like understand people. It's how we navigate the world essentially. And I think that there's a lot of a lot of value for individuals to connect to that remembrance and that part of themselves.

SPEAKER_01

Ooh.

SPEAKER_02

Which I feel like is a natural segue into our twin magic readings. Yes. So in our twin magic readings, that's where we connect our energies. We call it the portal, we open up the portal, and we connect in with your star family, your cosmic lineage, your origins, and share messages from your star family. We oftentimes bring through messaging around your mission and purpose in this lifetime. And then we'll also talk about alignment as it relates to your ascension path. So it could be challenges you're going through, it could be things you're doing really well, but whatever you need to create more alignment as it relates to your ascension path. And we are offering, we'll probably Mo, you'll put it in the video description. Uh, we do have a limited number of spots for 50% off twin magic readings. Uh, the discount code is Metaphor 50. I think I said that correctly. Yes. So if you're interested, make sure you go grab yourself a twin magic reading while you can with that discount code. We have we have five spots that we opened for it.

SPEAKER_00

So perfect. Okay. I love the lens of modality. Like I think that that is just the future of having a very wholesome, like full-bodied experience is to have as many modalities and understandings of yourself and like how to connect. And it comes back to the light language, I think, too, that you're, you know, slowly exposing yourself to or or becoming, which is like another way to connect with people, which is really beautiful. Um, thank you so much for making time for me multiple times. You made multiple times for me, and and every time has been delightful, um, mind opening, heart opening. And I got a lot of clarity today, which I really, really appreciate. So thank you for that. Happy to hear that.

SPEAKER_02

Yeah, thank you for having us on. We love the conversation, and it it is it's quite expansive.

SPEAKER_00

I love expansive too. It always makes me think of expensive, but you're like saying it was SAS. Like it's expansive. And that was Lacey and Marley, and I'm so excited to say that I did, since having this interview, I did do the quiz. I did I did their online quiz to see Starseed Origins. And um I thought it was pretty cool because they did a they did a post, which we talked about in the episode, um, on cat from Ten Things I Hate About You, um, Julia Styles' character. And they broke her down, you know, some of her archetypes and saying that she's an Orion starseed. And when I was reading about some of her elements, like I felt I remember thinking like, whew, this is me. And and I don't, you know, and I even pushed back against that too, because I was like, well, I don't know what the other ones are, but you know, and I am a child of psychology, but also everything, everything is a mirror. Nothing is not a mirror for for you to see yourself. And and you know, I put that down. But then when I took the quiz, it that's what I got, and I felt very I felt very validated in that that experience. And so who knows? I will be doing a reading with them sometime in July, so I'll report back on on how it goes and what they say, and and I you know, I love this stuff. Like I I love I love the experimentation of being a person and and above knowing anything and everything there is to know about myself, especially through like an experience of someone else. Um I mean, that's the beauty of of this podcast. It's it's how to talk to to anyone and to find the the meaning and and to zoom out, you know, months, weeks, years from now, and to see the the analog nature of of how my path led me to to where it is I'm going, you know, and who I met along the way. And this is a like a three percent glimpse at that because you know I can only I can only have so many conversations and record them. Um and one has to still live their life and create. So I'm gonna I'm gonna go create something tonight, actually. I go I poured myself a beverage and um the ice has melted. I know it's not the sexiest thing I ever made. I'm gonna go create something, and I hope that you get to create something too. And I hope you look up at the stars and you see a little bit more than you did last time. See a little bit more of yourself reflecting back at you in that massive sky, and feel a big deep sense of relief, you know that you're here for a reason. It is just too too beautiful out there for you to be some cosmic accident. Okay, good name of a band.

unknown

Cosmic accident.